Winch Mounting
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Stephen 408
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Could anyone tell me if there is a winch mounting plate or system for an LT OKA.
I am considering Ironman, Tigerz , or the new larger capacity Avenger Mako which all have the same bolt pattern as the Warn series. Warn winch pricing..... is not an option at the moment.
There is also the question of rope vs cable now, so some weight saving is possible.
Perhaps winching and recovery ideas would be a good addition to this site.
Any information on winch mounting into OKA's would be appreciated.
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Stephen 408
October 31, 2010 at 5:07 PM Flag Quote & Reply
dave
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Posts: 11
A long handle banjo shovel and a sense of humour. If you wanna get real flash a hand winch, use front, back, sideways is a cheap option.
October 31, 2010 at 9:53 PM Flag Quote & Reply
Hal Harvey
Site Owner
Posts: 510
Others will know lots more, but here's what I now... I noticed years ago that the bracing on the back of the bash plate only went halfway up the plate, and not surprisingly my plate was a little bent where the bracing finished, though obviously not as bent as the skippys it had deflected. I thought this was a dumb idea for years until I stuck my nose under an OKA with a factory-fitted winch, and then the reason became obvious: the winch needed that bit of extra space on the back of the bash plate. It was a neat fit between the frame and the plate and the braces, so yes there is definitely some system to fit a Warn bolt pattern in there somehow. Somebody will know.
Synthetic rope is significantly lighter than cable, but good 11mm Dyneema will be near on $1000 - might not help the budget.
I have a hitch-mounting system to fit the winch (that I have never used) on front or rear, as does Peter Wright. I think there's a photo of Peter's setup on the site somewhere, and I'll get some of mine on here eventually. If I was really committed to it I could probably set up a side-mounting system too, but as is life, I guess I won't do that until after I need it.
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Hal
October 31, 2010 at 11:21 PM Flag Quote & Reply
Hal Harvey
Site Owner
Posts: 510
There it is... searched 'winch' and up it comes. Peter Wright's setup:
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and it can also be used 'remotely' of course...
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Hal
October 31, 2010 at 11:26 PM Flag Quote & Reply
Hal Harvey
Site Owner
Posts: 510
Peter's text:
My 16.5TI Warn is mounted front or rear into simgle 50mm Hayman Reece style hitches. I can't imagine them failing, although my winching so far has not used the full capacity of the winch. I also cut out about 500mm of the centre of the bumper bar to fit it in as high as possible.
and on the remote setup:
This works brilliantly. The winch always points in the right direction. The "extension cable" is 3.5m long and uses 400A Anderson plugs to connect to the crank system at the front or the house batteries at the rear. There is also a 200A RedArc relay link (and 70mm2 cable) between them.
The real attraction of this system is the ability to attach the winch to any position on the vehicle. Theoretically, we can put the vehicle back on its feet without outside assistance using the winch, if it falls over. I hope we never test that.
My own double receiver setup at the front (repeated at the rear):
Bash plate hasn't been re-fitted since I had it re-made (yet). Made it two-piece (frame and plate, which is how an NT is done - if your LT is like mine was, it was one-piece, which is more of a challenge) and then a third bit, stainless skin for the outside. But that's another story.
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Hal
October 31, 2010 at 11:39 PM Flag Quote & Reply
Stephen 408
Member
Posts: 12
Thanks Hal
Actually this Oka does not have a bash plate or mounting brackets fitted ....so i'm flying in the dark a bit at the moment. Unless i can find a bash plate I will need to fabricate some sort of a system.
Yes i've read the article re Peter Wrights winch set up and I like the idea of receiver and remote mounting but should anything break under heavy load the winch could become an absolute missile causing a lot of damage......probably not a good look for a tour bus.
Dyneema rope is dearer than i thought !!................Looks like cable for the time being.
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Stephen 408
November 1, 2010 at 3:45 AM Flag Quote & Reply
Stephen 408
Member
Posts: 12
dave at October 31, 2010 at 9:53 PM
A long handle banjo shovel and a sense of humour. If you wanna get real flash a hand winch, use front, back, sideways is a cheap option.
Thanks for that Dave
Your knowledge of Oka's and recovery systems is just amazing.
--
Stephen 408
November 1, 2010 at 3:53 AM Flag Quote & Reply
Stephen 408
Member
Posts: 12
Hal Harvey at October 31, 2010 at 11:21 PM
Others will know lots more, but here's what I now... I noticed years ago that the bracing on the back of the bash plate only went halfway up the plate, and not surprisingly my plate was a little bent where the bracing finished, though obviously not as bent as the skippys it had deflected. I thought this was a dumb idea for years until I stuck my nose under an OKA with a factory-fitted winch, and then the reason became obvious: the winch needed that bit of extra space on the back of the bash plate. It was a neat fit between the frame and the plate and the braces, so yes there is definitely some system to fit a Warn bolt pattern in there somehow. Somebody will know.
Synthetic rope is significantly lighter than cable, but good 11mm Dyneema will be near on $1000 - might not help the budget.
I have a hitch-mounting system to fit the winch (that I have never used) on front or rear, as does Peter Wright. I think there's a photo of Peter's setup on the site somewhere, and I'll get some of mine on here eventually. If I was really committed to it I could probably set up a side-mounting system too, but as is life, I guess I won't do that until after I need it.
Hi Hal and thankyou
Some very good pricing for Dyneema on ebay at the moment if anyone is considering it.
.
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Stephen 408
November 1, 2010 at 5:43 AM Flag Quote & Reply
Tony Lee
Member
Posts: 539
Stephen 408 at November 1, 2010 at 3:53 AM
dave at October 31, 2010 at 9:53 PM
A long handle banjo shovel and a sense of humour. If you wanna get real flash a hand winch, use front, back, sideways is a cheap option.
Thanks for that Dave
Your knowledge of Oka's and recovery systems is just amazing.
Not only amazing but quite practical as well.
When we decided to 'escape' from White Cliffs I eventually ended up deep in a very long bog that had turned the road into a river.
Wheels were deep in sticky mud and wouldn't move either back or forward.
With Betty silently voicing "I TOLD YOU SO", I wound out the 40 metres of steel rope and then the 2 x 30 metres of synthetic rope (bought on last trip to US) and just managed to reach a spindly tree. Nothing else in reach. Sigh!!!
Hopped back in, ran the winch with the wheels also turning slowly - and promptly pulled the tree over.
Hmmmm!Not good. We weren't on an officially closed road but .....
Wound all the rope back in and in desperation got out the shovel, dug out a few scoops from the back and front of each wheel and pretty much drove straight out of what I thought was a long-term parking spot. Just managed to get to dry land, found a nice camping spot and stayed for several days until things dried out a little bit.
So -- first try the shovel. Works in sand too.
--
Tony
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November 1, 2010 at 8:34 AM Flag Quote & Reply
Dave and Pauline Gray
Member
Posts: 84
Good day all a very cheap option is two transport type load binders and a 6metre length of 3/8 chain i have sucessfully extracted myself from a couple of very wet bogs admittdly it was a toyota at the time but it certainly saved a 40km walk cheers Dave G
November 1, 2010 at 8:52 AM Flag Quote & Reply
Hal Harvey
Site Owner
Posts: 510
>> Some very good pricing for Dyneema on ebay at the moment <<
Just try to buy from somebody reputable - I have customers buy Dyneema fishing line from eBay at times, and it is often really bad and/or counterfeit - can be a complete waste of money.
I just had cause to buy 50' of 1/4" Dyneema winch rope (4000lb winch on the camper trailer), which is rare if available at all in Australia, so I got it from OKoffroad.com. They seem to know what they're doing. There's a fair knowledge base on there too. Looks like you'd get what you need for less than $500, less than I thought.
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Hal
November 1, 2010 at 9:43 AM Flag Quote & Reply
Garry & Chris
Member
Posts: 104
With Peter Wright's setup is a heavier tow bar required?
I can't imagine a std towbar taking the wieght of an Oka say diff deep in mud
Garry
November 7, 2010 at 6:02 PM Flag Quote & Reply
travis
Member
Posts: 57
only problem with remote mounted winch is possible current drop with the need for long power leads
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November 7, 2010 at 10:14 PM
Stephen 408
Member
Posts: 12
Could anyone tell me if there is a winch mounting plate or system for an LT OKA.
I am considering Ironman, Tigerz , or the new larger capacity Avenger Mako which all have the same bolt pattern as the Warn series. Warn winch pricing..... is not an option at the moment.
There is also the question of rope vs cable now, so some weight saving is possible.
Perhaps winching and recovery ideas would be a good addition to this site.
Any information on winch mounting into OKA's would be appreciated.
--
Stephen 408
October 31, 2010 at 5:07 PM Flag Quote & Reply
dave
Member
Posts: 11
A long handle banjo shovel and a sense of humour. If you wanna get real flash a hand winch, use front, back, sideways is a cheap option.
October 31, 2010 at 9:53 PM Flag Quote & Reply
Hal Harvey
Site Owner
Posts: 510
Others will know lots more, but here's what I now... I noticed years ago that the bracing on the back of the bash plate only went halfway up the plate, and not surprisingly my plate was a little bent where the bracing finished, though obviously not as bent as the skippys it had deflected. I thought this was a dumb idea for years until I stuck my nose under an OKA with a factory-fitted winch, and then the reason became obvious: the winch needed that bit of extra space on the back of the bash plate. It was a neat fit between the frame and the plate and the braces, so yes there is definitely some system to fit a Warn bolt pattern in there somehow. Somebody will know.
Synthetic rope is significantly lighter than cable, but good 11mm Dyneema will be near on $1000 - might not help the budget.
I have a hitch-mounting system to fit the winch (that I have never used) on front or rear, as does Peter Wright. I think there's a photo of Peter's setup on the site somewhere, and I'll get some of mine on here eventually. If I was really committed to it I could probably set up a side-mounting system too, but as is life, I guess I won't do that until after I need it.
--
Hal
October 31, 2010 at 11:21 PM Flag Quote & Reply
Hal Harvey
Site Owner
Posts: 510
There it is... searched 'winch' and up it comes. Peter Wright's setup:
-
and it can also be used 'remotely' of course...
--
Hal
October 31, 2010 at 11:26 PM Flag Quote & Reply
Hal Harvey
Site Owner
Posts: 510
Peter's text:
My 16.5TI Warn is mounted front or rear into simgle 50mm Hayman Reece style hitches. I can't imagine them failing, although my winching so far has not used the full capacity of the winch. I also cut out about 500mm of the centre of the bumper bar to fit it in as high as possible.
and on the remote setup:
This works brilliantly. The winch always points in the right direction. The "extension cable" is 3.5m long and uses 400A Anderson plugs to connect to the crank system at the front or the house batteries at the rear. There is also a 200A RedArc relay link (and 70mm2 cable) between them.
The real attraction of this system is the ability to attach the winch to any position on the vehicle. Theoretically, we can put the vehicle back on its feet without outside assistance using the winch, if it falls over. I hope we never test that.
My own double receiver setup at the front (repeated at the rear):
Bash plate hasn't been re-fitted since I had it re-made (yet). Made it two-piece (frame and plate, which is how an NT is done - if your LT is like mine was, it was one-piece, which is more of a challenge) and then a third bit, stainless skin for the outside. But that's another story.
--
Hal
October 31, 2010 at 11:39 PM Flag Quote & Reply
Stephen 408
Member
Posts: 12
Thanks Hal
Actually this Oka does not have a bash plate or mounting brackets fitted ....so i'm flying in the dark a bit at the moment. Unless i can find a bash plate I will need to fabricate some sort of a system.
Yes i've read the article re Peter Wrights winch set up and I like the idea of receiver and remote mounting but should anything break under heavy load the winch could become an absolute missile causing a lot of damage......probably not a good look for a tour bus.
Dyneema rope is dearer than i thought !!................Looks like cable for the time being.
--
Stephen 408
November 1, 2010 at 3:45 AM Flag Quote & Reply
Stephen 408
Member
Posts: 12
dave at October 31, 2010 at 9:53 PM
A long handle banjo shovel and a sense of humour. If you wanna get real flash a hand winch, use front, back, sideways is a cheap option.
Thanks for that Dave
Your knowledge of Oka's and recovery systems is just amazing.
--
Stephen 408
November 1, 2010 at 3:53 AM Flag Quote & Reply
Stephen 408
Member
Posts: 12
Hal Harvey at October 31, 2010 at 11:21 PM
Others will know lots more, but here's what I now... I noticed years ago that the bracing on the back of the bash plate only went halfway up the plate, and not surprisingly my plate was a little bent where the bracing finished, though obviously not as bent as the skippys it had deflected. I thought this was a dumb idea for years until I stuck my nose under an OKA with a factory-fitted winch, and then the reason became obvious: the winch needed that bit of extra space on the back of the bash plate. It was a neat fit between the frame and the plate and the braces, so yes there is definitely some system to fit a Warn bolt pattern in there somehow. Somebody will know.
Synthetic rope is significantly lighter than cable, but good 11mm Dyneema will be near on $1000 - might not help the budget.
I have a hitch-mounting system to fit the winch (that I have never used) on front or rear, as does Peter Wright. I think there's a photo of Peter's setup on the site somewhere, and I'll get some of mine on here eventually. If I was really committed to it I could probably set up a side-mounting system too, but as is life, I guess I won't do that until after I need it.
Hi Hal and thankyou
Some very good pricing for Dyneema on ebay at the moment if anyone is considering it.
.
--
Stephen 408
November 1, 2010 at 5:43 AM Flag Quote & Reply
Tony Lee
Member
Posts: 539
Stephen 408 at November 1, 2010 at 3:53 AM
dave at October 31, 2010 at 9:53 PM
A long handle banjo shovel and a sense of humour. If you wanna get real flash a hand winch, use front, back, sideways is a cheap option.
Thanks for that Dave
Your knowledge of Oka's and recovery systems is just amazing.
Not only amazing but quite practical as well.
When we decided to 'escape' from White Cliffs I eventually ended up deep in a very long bog that had turned the road into a river.
Wheels were deep in sticky mud and wouldn't move either back or forward.
With Betty silently voicing "I TOLD YOU SO", I wound out the 40 metres of steel rope and then the 2 x 30 metres of synthetic rope (bought on last trip to US) and just managed to reach a spindly tree. Nothing else in reach. Sigh!!!
Hopped back in, ran the winch with the wheels also turning slowly - and promptly pulled the tree over.
Hmmmm!Not good. We weren't on an officially closed road but .....
Wound all the rope back in and in desperation got out the shovel, dug out a few scoops from the back and front of each wheel and pretty much drove straight out of what I thought was a long-term parking spot. Just managed to get to dry land, found a nice camping spot and stayed for several days until things dried out a little bit.
So -- first try the shovel. Works in sand too.
--
Tony
picasaweb.google.com/114611728110254134379
November 1, 2010 at 8:34 AM Flag Quote & Reply
Dave and Pauline Gray
Member
Posts: 84
Good day all a very cheap option is two transport type load binders and a 6metre length of 3/8 chain i have sucessfully extracted myself from a couple of very wet bogs admittdly it was a toyota at the time but it certainly saved a 40km walk cheers Dave G
November 1, 2010 at 8:52 AM Flag Quote & Reply
Hal Harvey
Site Owner
Posts: 510
>> Some very good pricing for Dyneema on ebay at the moment <<
Just try to buy from somebody reputable - I have customers buy Dyneema fishing line from eBay at times, and it is often really bad and/or counterfeit - can be a complete waste of money.
I just had cause to buy 50' of 1/4" Dyneema winch rope (4000lb winch on the camper trailer), which is rare if available at all in Australia, so I got it from OKoffroad.com. They seem to know what they're doing. There's a fair knowledge base on there too. Looks like you'd get what you need for less than $500, less than I thought.
--
Hal
November 1, 2010 at 9:43 AM Flag Quote & Reply
Garry & Chris
Member
Posts: 104
With Peter Wright's setup is a heavier tow bar required?
I can't imagine a std towbar taking the wieght of an Oka say diff deep in mud
Garry
November 7, 2010 at 6:02 PM Flag Quote & Reply
travis
Member
Posts: 57
only problem with remote mounted winch is possible current drop with the need for long power leads
--
Oka Performance Turbos, Intercoolers and exhaust Upgrades 0421678926
November 7, 2010 at 10:14 PM
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